Thorny flowers in Jerusalem 예루살렘의 가시 꽃들

 

“As the lily among thorns, so is my love among the daughters.  여자들 중에 내 사랑은 가시나무 가운데 백합화 같구나”  Song of Songs 아가 2:2

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p60511-185948.jpg“Some sat in darkness and the deepest gloom, prisoners suffering in iron chains, for they had rebelled against the words of God and despised the counsel of the Most High.   So He subjected them to bitter labor, they stumbled, and there was no one to help.  사람이 흑암과 사망의 그늘에 앉으며 곤고와 쇠사슬에 매임은 하나님의 말씀을 거역하며 지존자의 뜻을 멸시함이라  그러므로 그가 고통을 주어 그들의 마음을 겸손하게 하셨으니 그들이 엎드러져도 돕는자가 없었도다 p60511-183358.jpgp60511-175919.jpgp60522-093131.jpg

Then they cried to the Lord in their trouble, and he saved them from their distress.  He brought them out of darkness and the deepest gloom and broke away their chains.  이에 그들이 그 환난중에 여호와께 부르짖으매 그들의 고통에서 구원하시되 흑암과 사망의 그늘에서 인도하여 내시고 그들의 얽어 맨 줄을 끊으셨도다p60522-100245.jpg

Let them give thanks to the Lord for His unfailing love and his wonderful deeds for men  여호와의 인자하심과 인생에게 행하신 기적으로 말미암아 그를 찬송할지로다 ” Psalm 시편 107:10-15 p60523-094553.jpg

 

 

 

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35 thoughts on “Thorny flowers in Jerusalem 예루살렘의 가시 꽃들

  1. hello brother

    i think paul had the spirit of satan within him

    18 “Why do you call me good?” Jesus asked. “Only God is truly good. 19 But to answer your question, you know the commandments: ‘You must not murder. You must not commit adultery. You must not steal. You must not testify falsely. You must not cheat anyone. Honor your father and mother.’[a]”

    20 “Teacher,” the man replied, “I’ve obeyed all these commandments since I was young.”

    21 Looking at the man, Jesus felt genuine love for him. “There is still one thing you haven’t done,” he told him. “Go and sell all your possessions and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

    can you show any place in all of pauls letters where he said “you LACK one thing”

    obeying the commandments means no pig eating .

    i understand now why people were leaving pauls gospel

    quote:
    I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel–

    they knew jesus did not teach breaking of jewish law.

    why do you need to make council when jesus was teaching for 40 days after his “resurrection” ?

    peter also had vision from satan

    peter can NEVER justify eating food using jesus’ words. he uses vision, but this vision maybe from the devil

    jesus told the rich man, in front of peter “you lack one thing”

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    1. brother Edward, do you think that when Yeshua said, “you lack one thing,” he meant, “you have kept all the laws in Torah except this?” Then, why he only mentioned about the ten commandments and the rich young men said “All These! (Greek text emphasizes by putting this phrase at the beginning of his remark)” – the commandments Yeshua just mentioned- have i kept from my youth. i think you could draw such logic if Yeshua said, “Keep all the commandments in the Torah,” and the young man said “All those, i have kept from my youth,” and then he said, “you still one thing behind… lack one thing…” If you have thought in this way, i hope you have not, i think you made ‘logical leap.’

      i agree with you in saying “they knew Jesus did not teach breaking of jewish law.”
      Neither, Paul nor peter promoted “breaking of the law.”
      They all promoted “keeping of the law,” not as slaves to the letters of the law
      but as sons and daughters of God in Christ to the heart and will of the Law.

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      1. “They all promoted “keeping of the law,” not as slaves to the letters of the law”

        brother , human beings , if not slaves to God , are then slaves to human beings.
        you will be enslaved to a system
        if you disobey God, then you are enslaved to the system you are obeying.

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      2. you never showed where paul and peter said

        “YOU LACK ONE THING”

        brother “one thing” does not mean “two things”

        this is simple .

        Romans 3:19-20.

        where does it say “lack one thing” in romans ?

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        1. brother Edward, i see your effort to balance between the Law and Gospel. this is how i understand on Romans 3:19-20.
          He is not saying that Torah only applies to the Jews. He is saying that whether Jews or gentile all are under the Law until they find God’s righteousness in Yeshua. Jews under the Mosaic Torah, gentiles under the law of conscience(Romans2:14-15) : and all men fall short of glory of God if they try to justify themselves with what they have done. — this does NOT mean “therefore we dont have to keep the law!”

          Rather, we could FulFill and Carry out and obey the Law without fear of “falling short of His standard” because of what God has done in Yeshua who is the righteousness of God (Rom.3:21)
          This also has been misinterpreted for many centuries.
          v 21 says “righteousness OF God”
          v 22 “faith OF Jesus Christ”
          again “righteousness OF God”
          Although we try our best to keep the law, we may fall short, but nevertheless God’s righteousness will make the covenant effective because of What Yeshua has done faithfully and righteously before God.

          Good news is a report, proclamation of what God has done for Jews and gentiles, not a advice or deal of what God will do if we believe in Christ.

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          1. “Rather, we could FulFill and Carry out and obey the Law without fear of “falling short of His standard” because of what God has done in Yeshua who is the righteousness of God (Rom.3:21)”

            where did the rich man need to accept “what jesus done” ? it is time to stop reading “what jesus done” into what jesus said to the rich man. the condition was “you lack one thing”
            you wrote :

            He is saying that whether Jews or gentile all are under the Law until they find God’s righteousness in Yeshua. Jews under the Mosaic Torah, gentiles under the law of conscience(Romans2:14-15) : and all men fall short of glory of God if they try to justify themselves with what they have done. — this does NOT mean “therefore we dont have to keep the law!

            end quote

            do you see? he is saying “you lack MORE than one thing” he is contradicting what jesus said . do you know “one thing” does not mean two, 3 , 4 , 5 , 6 things?

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          2. “Where did the rich man need to accept ‘what Jesus done'”?”
            Gospel is not about whether the rich man accept or not what Jesus has done. It is about what God has done in Yeshua For and on behalf of-His covenant people unconditionally and unilaterally! If you are a Jew who keeps the Torah faithfully and worship the God of Israel, you are the covenant people, thus your acceptance or faith in Jesus is less important than God’s acceptance of you through the faith OF the Jewish Messiah who represents you.

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          3. what are you saying?
            a jew does not need to believe in what “god done through yeshua”
            but he only needs to do the laws and rituals of the torah to be right with god?
            i will ask , like paul, then what is the difference between jew and gentile?
            if god sees laws and rituals for the jew to become right with god, why aren’t the gentiles right with god through laws and rituals?

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          4. My brother! your asking of this question proves that you understood intellectually what i wanted to say. I appreciate it!

            When i came to Israel a year ago, and started debating with Jews here in this great forum, their challenges really helped me understand the theology of Paul.

            And i came to realize that both Christians and Jews misinterpreted one of the most important doctrine of Paul, which is ROMANS 3:21-22

            The literal translation of Textus Receptus- Source text of King James Bible — blew my mind and the entire book of Romans and Pauline epistles began to make sense!

            It is this.
            Romans 3:21
            “But now the righteousness of God Apart from( = additionally-which means Torah was also the way to righteousness of God, not just Yeshua) the LAW is manifested,
            being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets.

            Romans 3:22
            Even the righteousness of God which is by ( or through)
            Faith OF Jesus Christ (not faith IN Yeshua like you said “Jews should put faith IN Yeshua?”)
            INTO ( God’s unilateral impartation of the righteousness and faith of Yeshua)
            ALL ( Jews= Abraham- Isaac-Jacob covenant people)
            AND
            UPON (this is weaker than ‘into.’ this seems to indicate God bestows a chance on top of head but needs to be taken by faith)
            ALL who believe ( gentiles should put faith IN and believe in what God has done in Yeshua= Galatians 3:8)
            For there is No Difference!
            (Faith comes by hearing and hearing comes by the Word Of Messiah-Romans 10:17,
            and 10:18 says Jews HEARED the Word of MESSIAH (N.T. teaches that the word of the Messiah Yeshua is the word of God). Therefore they Had and have the word and faith( Rom.10:8) !!

            but they lack one thing–they just don’t know they have that faith deep in their soul!!(10:19, 11:7-8, 10:3says Jews dont know the righteousness of God, Luke23:34)

            Paul’s “no difference” means
            Salvation comes by Word of Messiah( word of God: Torah, Tanakh) both to the Jews and Gentiles.
            Word of God is given, revealed, and preached by HIS GRACE to the Jews and gentiles alike.

            1Peter 1:23-25 proves that being born again comes from the word of God – Isaiah (Tanakh!) – which was also preached and spoken by the mouth of Yeshua.

            So, Yes my brother.
            Believing in what God has done in Yeshua is up to you…
            i am not trying to convert devout Jews here,
            i am just shouting what the God of Israel has done in Yeshua and how He already put His righteousness in the faith OF Yeshua INTO the Jews!

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          5. “Although we try our best to keep the law, we may fall short, but nevertheless God’s righteousness will make the covenant effective because of What Yeshua has done faithfully and righteously before God.”

            you accept the paul, so how can you “try your best” when you lack “more than one thing”
            paul thinks jewish law brings one to sin

            quote :
            With this kind of rhetoric, Paul is right to voice an anticipated question (3:1): “Then what advantage has the Jew? Or what is the value of circumcision? Much, in every way.” His answer (3:2) seems inadequate for truly answering the objection: “For in the first place, the Jews were entrusted with the oracles of God [Torah].” OK, they have the Bible. Anything else? There is no “in the second and third place.” And then he flips back in verse 9 to say that Jews really arenʼt better off at all, since “both Jews and Greeks are under the power of sin.”
            end quote

            i can say sacrificies at the temple, human sacrificie, “sacrifice” of jesus, still keeps a person UNDER THE POWER of sin. eating and drinking jesus at eucharist, still keeps one under the power of sin. paul is throwing away torah for his human sacrifice.

            quote:
            So it seems that sin and Law are two sides of the same coin for Paul, which is a shocking argument from a Jewish point of view. And so Paul anticipates this objection and asks yet another rhetorical question (7:7), “What then should we say? That the law is sin?” Paul answers, “By no means!”

            the “fraudy” paul has realised that he has made law and sin in one basket , he clearly did not say “you LACK ONE THING”

            paul contradicts jesus and the rich man story.

            he clearly has no jewish law as a system to fight sin. he clearly does not see it as a solution to the problem of sin. he trashed jewish torah.

            quote
            (It doesnʼt help Paulʼs case that earlier, in 5:20, he sums up the lawʼs value as revealing the depth of sin rather than being a solution.)

            paul trashed all those jews who lived and died for the jewish laws/rituals.

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          6. “So, Yes my brother.
            Believing in what God has done in Yeshua is up to you…”

            brother, you are not making any sense

            are the torah commandments important to follow more than jesus’ “sacrifice” ?

            if yes, then yeshua is redundant and useless. one can repent and come close to god by obeying the commandments and doesn’t need yeshua human sacrifice

            if obeying commandments helps on fight temptation and sin, then yeshua is just useless to get close to god.

            this means even gentile can come close to god without yeshua

            just obey and do good and do all legalism

            this would be enough.

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          7. Edward…
            Let me ask you two things.
            1. According to Torah, Leviticus 4:2 and Leviticus 5:17,
            You must keep the WHOLE Torah, 613 commandments. Do you Keep All without violating anything?

            2. If you cannot keep it perfectly, then how do you do the animal sacrifices in order to obey the Torah?

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          8. i am not even a jew. and where does it say “613” who told you that the guy who created the 10 do’s and the linked don’t thought their were 613? even jesus’ couldn’t keep 613. even jesus sinned in breaking the law. the thing is that it is possible love god and not break his commandments according to the torah itself. you are telling your god “but we are all violating”
            your god says “you can keep them without blood sacrifices”

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          9. “it is possible to love God without breaking His commandments according to Torah itself”

            Amen… you are right.

            But many violated it in the wilderness and the land of Cannan and perished. Q. where their eternal destiny has fallen? The gehenom? hell? eternal punishment?
            The New Testament says “no! because God will keep the promise-covenant for the eternal blessing and inheritance for His people.”
            and justice of God says “how come?”
            How can God be merciful and forgive for the sinners in the past and at the same time be just in order to exexute the LAW of God?

            i believe we can find the answer in the crucifixion.

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          10. “How can God be merciful and forgive for the sinners in the past and at the same time be just in order to exexute the LAW of God?”

            he has power to forgive without the crucifix, doesn’t he? he doesn’t become helpless does he? he knows man is weak and continue to sin, so why doesn’t he say “i forgive you without cutting open, burnin and crucifying anyone” ?

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          11. but He said the failure to keep the Torah will be judged!( Leviticus 5:17, 4:2) Forgiving without this makes God liar. Jonah struggled this when God saved wicked Ninevites, right?
            But when Jonah saw (maybe in heaven?) and look down on crucifixion, he must have understood God’s justice AND love.

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          12. what are you talking about? there is no jesus / crucifixion /cross or any human sacrificial ritual in verses which talk about repentance in the jewish bible. look at the human condition, do you really think believing in nailing of a jew fixes anything for humanity? the white man came to your land and lied to you. jesus would have known that one does not need bloody rituals to make “connection” with god. the pagans were doing this to have “connection” with their gods. the greeks, hebrews, egyptians, aztecs and others willingly offered their innocent children to god. if god is KIND , loving and FAIR, then he will see the human is weak and will not be able to keep any law “perfectly ”

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          13. why do you look at “through” ? why don’t you see that GOD is powerful and owns and controls the universe? is his kindness, forgiveness, love in embodiment of a jew? please think

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    2. Edward, my brother…
      “You lack one thing…” does not mean, i believe, you have one more thing to keep out of 613 commandments. Look carefully the context of Mark 10:17-22.
      The rich man asked for a way to gain “eternal life,” right? And Did Yeshua answer directly like, “if you do this, you will have it” ? No.
      He just said “you lack one thing.”
      If he said, “you lack ONLY one thing.”
      then, we could assume Yeshua was telling him about the last commandments to keep.- by the way i dont know if there is in the Torah a commandment about “selling all his posession and give to the poor?”

      Anyway, i think “you lack one thing” literally means “ustereou” – be later or come behind or fall short of the end.

      it does not necessarily mean “if you only do this one…”
      rather it could mean “you are behind because of one thing” – the abundant posession-which hinders him and make him hesitate to follow Yeshua.

      If he sell it out, he will be able to follow-following Yeshua is “seeing and experiencing the Kingdom of God.”

      So what Yeshua has meant by “you lack one thing” is you are NOT FAR FROM the kingdom of God!( Mark 13:34)

      Lastly pay attention on the latter part of Mk10:21, He did not say, ” if you do that, you will have eternal life,”
      He simply promised of heavenly treasure. Finally, he said ” and come and FOLLOW ME”
      Yeshua finally directed him not to the perfect Torah observace, but to himself.

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      1. “And Did Yeshua answer directly like, “if you do this, you will have it” ? No.
        He just said “you lack one thing.”
        If he said, “you lack ONLY one thing.”
        then, we could assume Yeshua was telling him about the last commandments to keep.- by the way i dont know if there is in the Torah a commandment about “selling all his posession and give to the poor?”

        i told you already that in jesus’ time the 10 were LINKED to the other. in marks version i can’t even see 10. jesus thought that it is better to live like HOMELESS and scavenge for food because “kingdom of god” is soon arriving in his time. the rich man just needed to do the commandment to love his neighbor as himself, which would require that he contribute to helping the poor (Leviticus 19:18)

        jesus thought in “kingdom of god” rich man would get it all back, but he just needed to live homeless life for a while. jesus was wrong.

        “Anyway, i think “you lack one thing” literally means “ustereou” – be later or come behind or fall short of the end.”

        he told him the ONE THING he fell short of and that is BECOME homeless/ give riches to poor

        quote:
        it does not necessarily mean “if you only do this one…”
        rather it could mean “you are behind because of one thing” – the abundant posession-which hinders him and make him hesitate to follow Yeshua.

        “following” does not take precedence over following commandment
        “following jesus” is clearly LESS important than following the commandments.

        “one thing…”

        “follow yeshua” is not part of “one thing” in the greek

        yeshua wants him to be homeless, scavenge for food and wait for “kingdom of god”
        jesus is not part of CONDITION at all since one can do this without following him .

        jesus did indeed teach that entry into the kingdom of God could be achieved simply by following the law, Matthew 5:19

        “If he sell it out, he will be able to follow-following Yeshua is “seeing and experiencing the Kingdom of God.”

        he already will see it and jesus is not an IMPORTANT condition. the condition is to OBEY the commandments, not jesus. jesus said this before he was CRUCIFIED .

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        1. “jesus did indeed teach that entry into the kingdom of God could be achieved simply by following the law, Matthew 5:19” Amen! Also Paul said it in Romans 8:4! Follow Yeshua, then you will be able to kee the Torah as sons and daughters who do not fear of condemnation when failing to keep it perfectly. Without Yeshua, people keep the Torah like slaves who fear of condemnation because of Leviticus 5:17 & 4;2. Why not receiving this good news to the Jews who are my brothers and sisters in His eternal covenant?

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          1. “keep the torah like slaves”
            where did god say in the torah “you keep my laws like slaves” ?

            luke wrote :
            Both of them were righteous in the sight of God, observing all the Lord’s commands and decrees blamelessly.

            so in gods eyes, people did not keep the law like slaves. you went against your god. you blasphemed your god.
            god says in his EYES they were sincerely doing the laws and rituals. i.e no jesus needed.

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          2. you are right brother. but many Israelites perished and were judged because they failed and disobyed the Law. But because of what Yeshua has done for them, God will give them eternal life-” all Israel will be saved” -Romans 11:26

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          3. but god said you CAN keep the law.
            he said it is not difficult to keep. they perished because they disobeyed god and told themselves “let break the laws because pagan nations also break the laws”
            you are telling god “what yeshua has done”
            do you tell chinese police “what yeshua has done” when you break chinese rule/law? if people FEAR breaking MAN made law, then what about law which god says you can keep?

            quote:
            Now what I am commanding you today IS NOT too difficult for you OR BEYOND your reach. It is NOT in heaven, that you should say, ‘Who will go up to heaven for us to get it for us and make us hear it, that
            we may observe it?’ NOR is it beyond the sea, so that you have to ask, “Who will cross the sea to get it and proclaim it to us so we may obey it?” No, the word is very near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart SO YOU MAY OBEY IT.”
            Isaiah 45:7

            you see brother?

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          4. god said you CAN keep them. i am not jewish , but you have attached a book to the bible which says you can keep the laws and they are not DIFFICULT to keep. but if you are BREAKING the laws and rituals then you are telling your god “god, you made me imperfect and you made difficult laws to keep”

            so one is really telling god that he should have made easier laws.

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          5. “Without Yeshua, people keep the Torah like slaves who fear of condemnation because of Leviticus 5:17 & 4;2.”

            yes , “yeshua” lets you get away with breaking the torah laws and no divine consequences. christians don’t fear consequences because they tell themselves that someone else broke them for them. god told jews that they can keep the laws and it is not difficult and jesus’ is not needed, was god lying when he said one can keep his laws without fear of condemnation?

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      2. somebody added two condition to the text

        in greek, it is clearly written the man lacked one thing

        somebody ADDED words “come follow me”

        this would mean “you lack two things”

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  2. “brother Edward, do you think that when Yeshua said, “you lack one thing,” he meant, “you have kept all the laws in Torah except this?”

    brother, he definitely did not think that food laws would not have meant “you lack one thing”
    breaking food laws would have meant he lacked more than one thing.

    “Then, why he only mentioned about the ten commandments and the rich young men said “All These! (Greek text emphasizes by putting this phrase at the beginning of his remark)”

    “20“Teacher,” he declared, “all these I have kept since I was a boy.”

    brother, was he keeping food laws since he was a boy? do you know 10 commandment are DEFINITELY linked to the other parts of the same book?
    do you know,
    all 10 were connected ?

    quote:
    – the commandments Yeshua just mentioned- have i kept from my youth. i think you could draw such logic if Yeshua said, “Keep all the commandments in the Torah,”

    brother, ask a hebrew scholar, in jesus time “10 commandment ” was not REDUCED to 10.
    only white christianity gave you this REDUCTION to 10

    i quote:

    it is your understanding that the writer who wrote the 10 commandments clearly linked them to the 613 ?

    Bart October 15, 2016
    I don’t think the writer probably knew there were exactly 613 commandments. Probably never counted them. But yes, they were all connected.

    edward : you see brother? they were ALL CONNECTED . jesus included the food laws too.

    quote:
    and the young man said “All those, i have kept from my youth,” and then he said, “you still one thing behind… lack one thing…”

    paul would never say “one thing” he completely “DISCONNECTED” torah laws and he thought torah does not make one close to God.

    brother, in acts peter and paul can never use one word from jesus in proving the eating of gentile pig flesh. they have no evidence from jesus.

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  3. “but He said the failure to keep the Torah will be judged!( Leviticus 5:17, 4:2)”

    WHERE IN LEVITICUS or any hebrew book does it say “bloody cross”
    or “bloody human atonement ” will be okay and will replace gods judgement?

    christians are breaking these LAWS right now, but you are hiding under jesus blood
    you are in sin according to leviticus

    ” Forgiving without this makes God liar.”

    does it? there are too many contradictions in the jewish bible. read the psalms. after you read psalms does it say “keep law perfectly”

    ” Jonah struggled this when God saved wicked Ninevites, right?
    But when Jonah saw (maybe in heaven?) and look down on crucifixion, he must have understood God’s justice AND love.”

    don’t make up lies. jonah did not see jesus’ crucifixion. you are making your god a liar.

    if god say his law is ETERNAL and everlasting , then you make your god a liar. you said to yourself crucifixion help you break gods LAW!

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    1. long time no see brother heathcliff! Leviticus says 17:11b says, “it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul”
      Torah didn’t say “it is the animal blood…” nor “human blood…” just “BLOOD”

      Yeshua said before crucifixion in Matthew 26:28 “For this is my blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.” Yeshua did not say this while he was bleeding on the cross. He was fulfilling the Jeremiah 31:34.

      Just like God SAID “it is the blood….”
      Yeshua SAID “this is my blood….”
      covenant is VERBAL Contract, and God has spoken through Yeshua.

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  4. “Torah didn’t say “it is the animal blood…” nor “human blood…” just “BLOOD””

    1The Lord said to Moses, 2“Speak to Aaron and his sons and to all the Israelites and say to them: ‘This is what the Lord has commanded: 3Any Israelite who sacrifices an ox,a a lamb or a goat in the camp or outside of it 4instead of bringing it to the entrance to the tent of meeting to present it as an offering to the Lord in front of the tabernacle of the Lord—that person shall be considered guilty of bloodshed; they have shed blood and must be cut off from their people. 5This is so the Israelites will bring to the Lord the sacrifices they are now making in the open fields. They must bring them to the priest, that is, to the Lord, at the entrance to the tent of meeting and sacrifice them as fellowship offerings. 6The priest is to splash the blood against the altar of the Lord at the entrance to the tent of meeting and burn the fat as an aroma pleasing to the Lord. 7They must no longer offer any of their sacrifices to the goat idolsb to whom they prostitute themselves. This is to be a lasting ordinance for them and for the generations to come.’

    8“Say to them: ‘Any Israelite or any foreigner residing among them who offers a burnt offering or sacrifice 9and does not bring it to the entrance to the tent of meeting to sacrifice it to the Lord must be cut off from the people of Israel.

    10“ ‘I will set my face against any Israelite or any foreigner residing among them who eats blood, and I will cut them off from the people. 11For the life of a creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for yourselves on the altar; it is the blood that makes atonement for one’s life.c 12Therefore I say to the Israelites, “None of you may eat blood, nor may any foreigner residing among you eat blood.

    this is about eating blood and contextually it is talking about animal blood. everyone would already know human blood is forbidden so the discussion is focused on animal blood.
    no body was thinking about cooking a human on altar.

    For the life of a creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for yourselves on the altar; it is the blood that makes atonement for one’s life.

    this is not talking about human being on altar

    quote:
    Yeshua said before crucifixion in Matthew 26:28 “For this is my blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.” Yeshua did not say this while he was bleeding on the cross. He was fulfilling the Jeremiah 31:34.

    no , he can’t view himself as animal sacrifice. this is illegal and the priestly writers would have stoned him to death.

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